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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:23 am 
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You probably know that from Firefox 13 onwards, the new tab page will display the list of the most recently used tabs.
This is a great new feature and one that has been missing from Firefox for a long time and users have been asking for it.

You can see this already in the Nightlies.

I think the New Tab setting in TMP should be default display about:newtab otherwise anyone using TMP will be completely unaware of this new very useful feature.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:29 pm 
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good point

thank you

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:46 pm 
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It's been implemented on current beta (12b) and it's really annoying seeing new tabs in the 'Recently Closed Tabs' list :twisted:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:38 pm 
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If not for LouC post which appeared to be new and therefor i checked it out along with my settings, i wouldn't nave known that my setting to load Blank page on new tab has been changed! This shouldn't have happened. If a setting already exist, no new version of an ext. should reset it silently. It will cause a lot more confusion than not knowing what's new in a new browser version. A better move would be to mention the change on that install confirmation page and leave people's settings alone.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:33 am 
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Default Firefox new page was about:blank until version 12, now its about:newtab
Tabmix do the same for users that use the default blank tab, the default changed to about:newtab.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:42 am 
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Let's try it again. My new tab setting has always been for Blank page. The last update (i assume) reset it to New Tab Page ... without my knowledge.
This has always been set to Blank page until i read this thread and checked the setting just to find out it has been reset - not by me! - to the New Tab Page:
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:54 am 
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This is by design.

Firefox & Tabmix default was blank tab until Firefox 11.
Starting with Firefox 12, Firefox & Tabmix default is now New Tab Page.

if you have set Tabmix new tab to the default Blank Tab, when you update Firefox from 11 to 12 it reset new tab to be New Tab Page, since this is the new Firefox default
you have few option:
- stay on the New Tab Page
- stay on the New Tab Page but disable it by clicking on the button on the upper right corner or setting browser.newtabpage.enabled to false.
- set Tabmix to load Blank Page
- set Tabmix to load New Tab Page and set the address to about:blank

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:07 am 
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You're missing my point. I have always had it set to Blank page. It has been reset to something else WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE. This should not happen.
We spend a lot of time setting prefs just right for all our exts. and there's nothing that irritates me more (and i'm sure many others) than exts. fiddling with my settings. Plus, doing so silently!

Add the above explanation to the Help page.
+ Put it in the changelog.
+ Post it in the dev.build thread last build changes.

BTW, what does this mean:
'...when you update Firefox from 11 to 12 that set Tabmix to the default Blank Page now have it switch to New Tab Page
you have few option: ...' ?
Were you trying to say something like 'when you update Firefox from 11 to 12 it resets Tabmix default to New Tab Page and you have to make your selection again. Sorry for the inconvenience' ?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:22 pm 
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@makondo
about:newtab is the new blank page on Firefox 12
So, if you set blank page as default new tab, you get about:newtab

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:32 pm 
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makondo wrote:
You're missing my point. I have always had it set to Blank page. It has been reset to something else WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE. This should not happen.


i don't missed your point.... :)

However Firefox introduce new feature - New Tab Page.
All Firefox uses will see this as new tab after updating to Firefox 12.
Tabmix users only see the same if they used the default.

when the default changed, users have to choose if they want to stick with the new default or to change it back to the old default.

i will appreciate i you will help me edit the new paragraph explaining about the change. i will add it to the help page and to the change list.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:14 pm 
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LouC,
trouble reading today? I said (more than once) i had it set to BLANK page, always had. It was reset to New Tab silently - that is, i did not change it, it was set either by Fx or TMP. I wouldn't even known this has happened if i wouldn't see your post as 'new' in the forum and went to read it. That's when i discovered that my setting (BLANK PAGE) has been reset.
The same thing will happen to all those who had it set to Blank page, Home page, etc., i assume.
And that p'es me off Image

onemen,
what you have above is good. I would only change one line as i posted above:

'When you update Firefox from 11 to 12 it resets Tabmix default to New Tab Page and you have to make your selection again. Sorry for the inconvenience. '

BTW, i still don't get what's happening. What you're saying is that v12 resets TMP option to default (no matter what users have in there)? Because this is my understanding. If so, the Help page would read like this:

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Starting with Firefox 12, Firefox & Tabmix default option for New Tab is New Tab Page.
When you update Firefox to v.12, it resets Tabmix option to New Tab Page and you have to make your selection again. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Tip:
You have few options if you had the New Tab option selected previously:
- stay on the New Tab Page
- stay on the New Tab Page but disable it by clicking on the button on the upper right corner or setting browser.newtabpage.enabled to false.
- set Tabmix to load Blank Page
- set Tabmix to load New Tab Page and set the address to about:blank


(for the record, those 'tips' don't make sense to me. I suppose an explanation of what New Tab Page is about would help. Or else, a link to Mozilla's explanation (changelog or something. However, i don't find this wiki particularly helpful to an 'average' user).

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:42 am 
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makondo,

The change only apply to users that set Tabmix to show Blank Tab, user that have it set to Home page etc aren't effected.

No Expert wrote:
I think the New Tab setting in TMP should be default display about:newtab otherwise anyone using TMP will be completely unaware of this new very useful feature.....


I decided to change Tabmix default for Firefox 12+ to New Tab Page.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:13 am 
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It's fine. So those who - like me - had it set to Blank page will be really surprise - just like me - to see it's not working all of a sudden. Might figure to go check their setting just to find out it has been reset when they were not watching.

The line above:
'If your setting for opening new tab ( Events/New tab) is a Blank page, Firefox 12 and Tabmix will reset this option to New Tab Page and you have to make your selection again. Sorry for the inconvenience.'

As i said:
1. Have a changelog on that install confirmation page
2. Mention the change in the changelog AND on the Help page.

And be prepared for "What happened?! It doesn't work anymore!..." posts

(PS. I would've never found this out if not for that post by LouC 'cause i use a custom button to open new tabs and i get a blank page using it. I just get really p'ed when things happen silently on MY computer. I know i'm not alone. )

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:46 am 
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test this link
http://tmp.garyr.net/version_update2.ht ... newtabpage

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:16 am 
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The link to 'Complete List of Changes and Bugs Fixed' takes you to the locked thread for .3.8, should go to the latest dev. Hopefully this is just an example but still checking in to remind you Image

OK, it looks all right to me but i would move this line to the top of those option:
set Tabmix to load Blank Page.

So it would look like this:

re-set Tabmix to load Blank Page
use the New Tab Page for new tabs
use the New Tab Page but disable it by clicking on the button on the upper right corner, this will turn the New Tab Page into blank page for new tabs (or setting browser.newtabpage.enabled to false)
set Tabmix to load New Tab Page and set the address to about:blank.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:09 am 
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now what if user that use Firefox 4-11 install the new Tabmix 0.4.0.2 before upgrading to Firefox 12.

for them New Tab Page doesn't mean a thing
and they stile see about:blank as the default new tab page.

maybe something like:
For Fireofx 4-11 users
Tabmix default for new tabs change to New Tab Page (extensions.tabmix.loadOnNewTab.type=4) with the default address about:blank if you leave this defaults your default address will change automatically to about:newtab when you update Firefox to version 12.
the same apply also to new tab that opens when you close last tab look Here

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:25 pm 
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It proves my point. It shouldn't have been changed. Instead, TMP should have preserved whatever settings users have there (in TMP options) despite of what Fx does. That's why we have extensions. The new New tab page is not TMP feature but Fx, it's not TMP concern to 'introduce' people to it but Fx. A note about the new usage of new tabs would have been sufficient.

I don't think you need to change anything 'cause it clearly says: 'Important note for Firefox 12+ users' and for versions below nothing will change anyway, right?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:40 pm 
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it will change later when they update to FF 12

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:52 pm 
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Right, so you don't need to put any additional info there for users with Fx below 12.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:56 am 
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makondo wrote:
Right, so you don't need to put any additional info there for users with Fx below 12.

I agree with this. I too have the TMP option "Load on new tabs:" set to Blank Page (and not to New Tab Page)

Had I not read this thead now by chance, I would have gotten a surprise (annoying such) as well when upgrading to FF12. The new help page displayed after upgrading TMP looks fine to me as you've shown it here, if ppl don't read it sucks to be them IMO.

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I just get really p'ed when things happen silently on MY computer. I know i'm not alone.

Oh no, you're not alone.


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