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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:01 am 
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Please post here your requests and suggestions about new Fx tabbar scrolling.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:50 am 
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var3gen wrote:
The whole point of this is the auto-scrolling, which is triggered only by activating the left-/right-most currently visible tab, so that the next tab becomes partly visible a.s.o.

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This option will apply to all scrolls, not just when the tab at the edge of the tab-bar is activated.

Ehm, which scrolls would that be? The ones using the arrow button

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Regarding the width of the offset scroll, since the only purpose is to enable user to click on the tab 50px will be enough.

I'm sorry, now you lost me. 50 pixel is far too much. E.g. I have my tabs 25-45 px wide as minumum, meaning you'd do some sort of auto-scrolling then which is more than one tab.


regarding this new feature - if you want to be able to click on the next out-of-sight, we have to make part of that tab visible, not just after you click on the last tab and it "auto-scroll" to the left and now you see part of another tab.
We need to see part of a tab on tab-bar edges, after you open new tab, close tab, scroll with the mouse wheel, click on the scroll button etc..
that why the option label start with "When scrolling..."

what do you all think is more clear ?
When scrolling show part of a tab on tab-bar edges
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When scrolling show part of next out-of-sight tab

Regarding the width of the offset scroll:
the offset will be 50 pixel but no more than 50% of the next out-of-sight tab

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:11 pm 
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onemen wrote:
what do you all think is more clear ?
When scrolling show part of a tab on tab-bar edges
or
When scrolling show part of next out-of-sight tab

Or how about:
When scrolling, show part of next off-screen tab

As far as the 50px-but-not-to-exceed-50% discussion goes, it sounds good now but without actually playing with it to understand the idiosyncrasies of such behavior, it's hard to say whether that would be the best choice. Speaking of, is there a way I can load the older (0.3.x) version of TMP back into Firefox to observe its behavior again?


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onemen wrote:
...we have to make part of that tab visible, not just after you click on the last tab and it "auto-scroll" to the left and new you see part of another tab.

I beg to differ. Yes: just after clicking on the last/first tab, not in any other situation. That's exactly how it works in FF 3.6.28 + TMP 0.3.8.7, and this is the desired behaviour IMO. Else this will become annoying.

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We need to see part of a tab on tab-bar edges, after you open new tab, close tab, scroll with the mouse wheel, click on the scroll button etc..

Nope, I don't wish for that. In all those situations, the ends of the bar-tab become what they will. If a tab is partly visible after any of those events, then it's just a coincidence and has nothing to do with this new option. To trigger the auto-scrolling at the ends, one has to activate the last tab at either edge, somehow (not necessarily with the mouse of course).

@jern & rob64rock
What are your feelings about this?

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what do you all think is more clear ?
When scrolling show part of a tab on tab-bar edges

Well, I say none of them due to the above reasoning. I did think about this quite a lot (it's not easy to get right!) and I still stick with:
Auto-scroll to partially show next out-of-sight tab
That is, if the behaviour in the end will be what I think it should. It's a wee bit obscure I know so the help text is important to explain what the option does exactly (or a tooltip, but you dismissed that suggestion earlier).

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the offset will be 50 pixel but no more than 50% of the next out-of-sight tab

Fair enough! That should work just fine AFAICS.

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Speaking of, is there a way I can load the older (0.3.x) version of TMP back into Firefox to observe its behavior again?

Good idea that you too do this, thanks! So that it's not just me looking at the old behaviour. I have very very narrow tabs (25 px) in my old FF3.6.28, so 50% of that is 12 px which is just fine. 50 px will look like a lot in some resolutions and situations, but likely just fine in others -- I don't really know.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:02 pm 
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onemen wrote:
What do you all think is more clear ?
When scrolling show part of a tab on tab-bar edges
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When scrolling show part of next out-of-sight tab

Regarding the width of the offset scroll:
the offset will be 50 pixel but no more than 50% of the next out-of-sight tab

Oneman,

'When scrolling show part of next out-of-sight tab' sounds better to me.

The above visible tab width of the offset scroll sounds good and reasonable too.


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jern wrote:
....is there a way I can load the older (0.3.x) version of TMP back into Firefox to observe its behavior again?
look here for all Tabmix official versions
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... /versions/

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:49 pm 
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try this Test Build

let me know what do you think

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onemen wrote:
try this Test Build

let me know what do you think

Oneman,

Can you increase the partially visible tab by 10px or 10% or provide the option to choose what '%' of the tab is visible?

The reason I ask is I'm using TMP option to show tab close button on left-side of tab, it leaves very little room causing a high probability of a mouse click error to occur.
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rob64rock wrote:
Oneman,
Can you increase the partially visible tab by 10px or 10% or provide the option to choose what '%' of the tab is visible?
Do you have a problem with 50 pixel or when you are using small width for tabs?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:47 pm 
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onemen wrote:
rob64rock wrote:
Oneman,
Can you increase the partially visible tab by 10px or 10% or provide the option to choose what '%' of the tab is visible?
Do you have a problem with 50 pixel or when you are using small width for tabs?

I'm using min-width: 60px....

Also See my edited post above...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:28 am 
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fixed:
The offset will be 50 pixel but no more than 70% of the next out-of-sight tab when close button is visible on tab 50% otherwise.

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rob64rock wrote:
I'm using TMP option to show tab close button on left-side of tab, it leaves very little room causing a high probability of a mouse click error to occur.

My conclusion from this is that previously when FF + TMP 0.3 had the old auto-scrolling behaviour at the right end of the tab-bar (which is all I'd like to have back with this new option) you cannot have been happy with it either. It would not have taken into account that you prefer to have a close button on every tab(!)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:25 am 
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onemen wrote:
fixed:
The offset will be 50 pixel but no more than 70% of the next out-of-sight tab when close button is visible on tab 50% otherwise.

Is there a Test Build available?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:34 am 
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Just released, in the dev.build thread as usual.

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Just tried out the dev version and so far it's working wonderfully! I'll keep at it for a bit and post back later today or tomorrow with my findings.

Thanks again!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:45 pm 
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To Oneman or Makondo to whom ever has the answer,

I'm using Tab Mix Plus Dev-Build 0.4.0.2pre.120407b, my question is regards to the new feature:
'When scrolling show part of next out-of-sight tab' indirectly.

1.) You know when you are in tab overflow mode and the scroll-arrows appear on the left and right. In regards to tab auto scroll behavior when selecting either the partially visible tab on the left or the right of the tab bar which brings the selected tab and another partially visible tab in view if present.

How would I be able achieve [1.)] auto scroll behavior by just only hovering(without selecting) the partially visible tabs using CSS? :?:

Steps to reproduce:

By default when using TMP Dev-Build 0.4.0.2pre.120407b new feature:
'When scrolling show part of next out-of-sight tab' with scroll-buttons visible.

1.) 1st Load around 20 or more tabs, so the tab bar enters tab 'over flow mode'(scroll-buttons become visible).

2a.) Then select the partially visible tab on the far right of the tab bar.

2b.) when doing (2a) the partially visible tab you just selected becomes completely visible and another partially visible tab appears on the far right of the tab bar.

My question is there a way using CSS to achieve (2b) behavior by just hovering the partially visible tab on the far right of the tab bar without actually selecting it? :?:

I hope that's more clear now, so you'll can understand my question above.

I tried looking through TMP code and tried a few different CSS code, but nothing seems to produce the [1.)] auto scroll behavior has if I had actually selected the partially visible tabs.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:19 am 
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rob64rock,

you can't activate tab scroll with css

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:09 am 
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No, as i understaood, he's trying to show full width of the hovered 'partial' like this would 9but doesn't):


#tabbrowser-tabs > tab:last-child:hover
{ min-width: 200px !important;
width: 200px !important; }

or

tab[crop="end"]:hover
{ min-width: 200px !important;
width: 200px !important; }

The problem with this code is that the right 'partial' (what a stupid word!) tab expands under the right arrow. I suppose the arrow can be moved with margin or something ...

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